Last night, some friends introduced me to an old thread by online comics creator and convert from New Age mysticism Owen Cyclops. With drug culture back in the mainstream, now seemed like a good time to present a streamlined version of Owen’s warning about the dangers of psychedelic drugs.
Thread edited for expediency and space. Warning: colorful language ahead.
Editor’s note: The vernacular meaning of “woke” had not yet solidified in 2019. Back then it could refer to a state of being awake to deeper reality, similar to being red pilled.
Recall what Owen said about aliens earlier, and factor in accounts from alien abduction researchers and victims that the name of Jesus could thwart and prevent “alien” nighttime visitations.
The moral of the story, straight from a former practitioner, is don’t get involved with psychedelic drugs. For one, deliberate use of a substance that dims your intellect and/or will is a grave sin. For another, weakening those faculties opens you up to influence by beings of pure intellect and will with malevolent intent.
If you want to take a journey akin to space pirates overdosing on the spice melange and taking a trip through Hell, read my award-worthy horror/adventure novel Nethereal.
Got to admit, that made me shudder. Terrifying stuff. Saint Michael the archangel, pray for us.
Amen
I really need to do that deeper study on the associations of pharmakeia with contraceptives and abortifacients in the ancient world. If true, it would explain many things, and give the lie to the ‘Scripture never says anything about abortion’ talking point of the witches.
“The Bible never says anything about X!” is a classic Witch tell.
They would say the same thing even if they were literally invoking the name of Moloch while sacrificing their children.
“That was the Old Testament! Shellfish! Mixed fabrics!”
I believe the Didache prohibits abortifacients explicitly, in the same prohibition with witchcraft in general.
Back in 2011, did you ever hear about or watch an alien movie called PAUL? After reading this thread, and after hearing Bishop Fulton Sheen’s explanation of what it meant for Jesus to “become sin” as described in the Bible, I’ve become convinced that PAUL was a massive psyop.
More specifically, Paul is a little gray alien who looks exactly like the aliens that people think about when they think of the Roswell incident, and two of the movie’s supporting/antagonistic characters are evangelical Christians: a father and his daughter, who is blind in one eye. Not only does Paul heal the Christian daughter’s eye in a way that causes his own eye to temporarily become blind, both the daughter’s and her father’s initial reaction to Paul is, “Demon!”
If I recall, the movie is also a bit of a stoner comedy that features Simon Pegg and Nick Frost as a pair of sci-fi comics/literature weirdos who attend degenerate sci-fi conventions, and though the movie doesn’t push the use of psychadelics onto its viewers, it’s definitely a movie that tells its viewers, “Yeah! Drugs and sex are cool!” The glorification of sex is especially embodied in Paul’s revelation of what things are like on his home planet. Do you think that the aliens are a highly disciplined race who subordinate their passions and fleshy appetites to their intellect, as the Church would command? Because if you think that, you’re wrong; everyone on Paul’s homeworld is a bisexual who indulges in casual sex with his or her friends.
A friend rented that movie when it first came out on video. We watched it, and I instantly hated it. The heavy-handed fedora-ism was ultra-SMRT, even for a piece of Brit stoner agitprop.
The “Jenga!” line caught on for about five minutes in degenerate circles, but it’s a blessing that the movie has since been forgotten.
I was going to say that what he said about alien abductions reminded me a lot of Fr. Seraphim Rose’s “Orthodoxy and the Religion of the Future,” but Owen beat me to it, hah.
A few years ago I got interested in Graham Hancock after binging on his wacky Joe Rogan interviews, and started to feel like at least some of his alternate historical ideas had some merit. But I found his advocacy of trying to use ayahuasca to reach a higher spiritual state to be alarming – as well as his automatic assumption that the “ancient gods” who helped mankind “progress” are worth pursuing, rather than staying very far away from.
Aliens being demons has always been the most likely hypothesis.
Even Whitley Strieber, who popularized the now standard depiction of “greys,” wasn’t really committed to the idea that they actually were aliens. In Communion he gives a whole host of ideas for what they could be (possibilities discussed are: time travelers from the future, beings from a parallel universe, or what happens to us after we die.) In the first book Strieber is actually pretty open minded and level headed as one could expect in relation to such experiences, but he has since went full new age cultist.
Jacques Vallee’s Messengers of Deception is also a very relevant book in relation to them. He’s not sure at all what they are, but this is where he is clearest about them having a malign influence on society, and that apparently being the point of encounters.
I always came at it as straightforward as I could to “believer” types. If aliens have been here then they are either incredibly stupid (not likely due to what they would need to do to get here to begin with) or objectively evil to be doing what they are accused of and also letting what has been happening in this world go on without interfering at all. It would be easy for them being supposedly so far ahead of us.
So if they aren’t actually demons then they are very close to it regardless. They should be hated and despised.
John C. Wright, who has a physics degree besides being the greatest living sci fi writer, penned a compelling depiction of how extraterrestrial visitors would behave. Reaching a Kardashev level high enough for interstellar travel would require them to base most decisions on a game theory calculus. If an expedition to Earth would net them more energy than the trip cost, they would do it. If not, they wouldn’t.
Contact wouldn’t take the form of nocturnal molestation or cryptic visitations to pass on fortune cookie wisdom. It would look like “We flew 200 light years to get here. You humans are going to work off the cost of our trip. Don’t worry, we pay fair market wages. At your current tech level, your global indentured servitude will only last 10,000 years.”
Does he have an honorary physics degree? I thought his degrees were Great Books and Law. (If he doesn’t have an honorary physics degree, he SHOULD, and I would say it is is more evidence 99%+ universities need to be seized and liquidated to pay for the fraudulent debts they saddled people with. As a late Y/early Millennial without any, who has seen the damage and rot up front and recently.)
Iirc, he has a bachelor’s degree in physics and a juris doctorate.
It’s telling how many of the old school ufologists shied away from the extraterrestrial hypothesis and ended up embracing de facto “they’re demons” conclusion.
Correct me if I’m wrong but weren’t the aliens in the movie, “Signs” actually demons? Hence the idea that they couldn’t enter into your dwelling without being invited in, they didn’t like (holy water) and Mel being a former pastor who rediscovers his faith? There’s even a miraculous healing at the film’s climax.
That’s an intriguing theory.
https://spotflik.com/the-aliens-in-signs-are-demons/?amp=1
See above
Certainly more interesting than the standard Pop Cult take of “lol, it’s really stupid that aliens are weak to water and wood! Why invade a planet that’s full of both?”
Laramie Hirsh of Forge and Anvil, did a write up about a year or two ago about how modern “aliens” share a lot in common with the Celtic “faye”. They look alike (pure large black eyes, oval heads), they try to abduct people, they always seem to have a barely hidden malevolence, odd metal objects, displays of magic or unseen tech, rumors of hybrid children.
As the Twitter author noted, the demons changed where they came from as our collective understanding (or perspective) shifted. Aliens make no sense as a setting to skirt wearing pagans and early Christians…but they do to a godless age of men hyper focused on technology as a new route to godhood.
Found it
https://forge-and-anvil.com/2020/09/20/aliens-are-fairies/
Jacques Vallee is once again relevant. His book Passport to Magonia was one of the first (if not THE first) to draw parallels between UFO encounters and stories of the faerie.
It also has an interesting discussion of the “phantom airship” phenomenon. This was a trend in the late 19th century for people to see mysterious airships (i.e. blimps) which were larger and more technologically advanced than anything at the time. Their inhabitants were apparently human, but came from no clear organization and were basically complete ciphers. They form a nice bridge between the classical faerie story and the later extraterrestrial story and are a big part of Vallee also came to the conclusion that the beings behind the sightings changed according to their audience.
To me, the phantom airship accounts never fit neatly into the alien category. They seemed to ride the line between UFOs and alternate timeline/dimension crossovers.
If you follow the link to Owen’s thread, you’ll find he makes the alien-fae connection, as well. He also ties both into David Paulides’ Missing 411 shtick. To avoid grinding the point too fine, I omitted both angles.
Recently, I came across a comment on John C. Wright’s site about a podcast from two Orthodox priests who are trying to de-modernize how Christians think about spiritual entities. In one episode they discuss the “giants” of the old testament and their relation to the nephilim (sort of a spiritual human-demonic hybrid rather than physical, but it’s complicated!).
It’s an interesting discussion and has modified my thinking about this issue and it fits in with the argument in the Twitter thread pretty well.
https://www.ancientfaith.com/podcasts/lordofspirits/land_of_giants
I think a good follow-up would be on the successor thread Owen put a link to in the end of this one where he chronicles some of his more interesting findings on his project to compile DMT accounts to illustrate commonality in themes and motifs that suggest the trips are showing users a consistent, external experience that has heavy implications on the precise topography of the spiritual world such as; the super-common occurrence of a “jester” to gatekeep or tour-guide deeper levels of DMTland and distract people from sinister/painful experiences, the sensation of “soul surgery” or being vampiricly drained, the entities there almost always taking the style of South Asian/MesoAmerican gods (with occasional African/voodoo spirits for flavor), the declaration one impassioned user makes early in the list that any good feelings or entities found in these trips are threadbare disguises of malevolent demons (and honestly, the positive reports only add fuel to the fire; the dude that claims to be accepted as a student of “Chac” fawns over its description like a brainwashed cultist, the vlogger that insists a jester was a “teacher” even though all it apparently did was torture him in a shadow/blood room and tell him “kill your friends”, the multiple people that insist the “soul surgery” was good for them/the operators were benevolent even when they admit that the experience felt violating, the entities doing it were uncaring or even sadistic, and the results left them feeling empty or otherwise worse off.)
If anything of this can be taken for granted as true/accurate, it proves that not only are drugs satanic, but also that the elimination of the Aztecs was as justified and God-approved as the campaign against the Canaanites, and a similar crusade against Hinduism is evidently centuries if not millennia overdue.
The most vile, wicked, slanderous blasphemy I have ever heard came neither from a Muslim nor an atheist, but from Hindu nationalists. The kind of absolute, hateful filth that I have seen come from them is mind-boggling. On at least one occasion I was half convinced that the man was possessed.
My experience sparring with Muslims over the years was that while they’ll freely insult Christians, they usually choose their words around Christ with some care. In some ways Islam is a kind of extreme form of the Arian heresy, among others, with results accordingly. They deny the Trinity, but are very keen to avoid blaspheming God, and see Jesus as the holy prophet of God. They deny Mary as the Theotokos, but do believe in the virgin birth and revere her as the most perfect woman who ever lived. Thus they usually built their criticism on claims that Christians are blasphemers or otherwise in error.
Atheists, especially fedora-tipping, socially retarded internet atheists are another matter.
Haven’t debated with Hindu radicals, but given their track record and that their pagan ‘gods’ are demons, I can imagine what you encountered.
Usually some combination of repeating claims that Christians pay people to convert (a surprisingly common claim for some reason), alleged bad behaviour by Christians, attacks on the personal character of important Christian figures, and claims that the God of Abraham is actually a devil (asura), usually because of stuff like there being violence in the Old Testament or the Muslims killing them during centuries of invasion, or that God allowed animal sacrifice And That’s Terrible, or something. One guy was also absolutely hopping furious at the prohibition of “beautiful” idol worship, and let me know that in breathless sentences.
Even then, I should point out that most regular Hindus probably never do things like this, but still, their ranks produce some of the vilest blasphemers.
Interesting. “Paying people to convert” might be their inverted spin on the Christian practice of charity. Hinduism by contrast is extremely harsh to the poor and unfortunate, considering their suffering to be a deserved punishment for evil done in past lives.
Ah, almost forgot… Jews are usually too canny to openly mention their religion’s traditional teachings regarding Christ, and I imagine some of them don’t actually know, but those teachings as expressed in the Talmud and rabbinical literature are vile, to put it mildly.
I think that if Mars was ever truly inhabited by mortal beings, that may, as odd as this may sound, be MORE evidence in favor of the theory that the beings encountered in “alien abductions” are demonic rather than mere extraterrestrials.
Many NASA Mars rover images contain what look like artifacts (mummified corpses, statues, skulls, weapons, etc). NASA’s explanation is that these are just oddly shaped rocks and that those who see them as artifacts are falling victim to pareidolia (the brain seeing patterns in randomness, like seeing a cloud that looks like a rabbit).
However, some of these items, upon closer inspection, appear very unlikely to be mere rocks as NASA would have one believe. The YouTube channel ArtAlienTV is one excellent source of evidence about these items possibly being artifacts, but there are other good sources as well.
What does this have to do with demons? If you look at enough of these potential Martian artifacts, an apparent pattern emerges. If these are genuine artefacts rather than rocks, they look like the remains of a human (or at least human-like) civilization that once existed, and of a cataclysm that killed them all (and possibly rendered the planet uninhabitable). And here’s the kicker: their statues and artifacts (if they are indeed such) appear spookily similar to those from the Aztecs and other ancient South American and Middle Eastern cultures that used psychedelics, performed human sacrifice, and were wiped out in a more or less apocalyptic manner.
Could it be that there were real, mortal Martians (possibly originating from Mars, possibly colonists from Earth), who shared a similar culture to the Aztecs and other psychedelic-using, human sacrificing ancient cultures, and were wiped out because of it? Could it be that any culture, on any planet, that heavily uses such substances inevitably comes in contact with beings (such as the ones in “alien abductions”) who are in fact demonic and lead them into an evil religion based around human sacrifice, eventually leading to that culture’s extinction (possibly due to God Himself wiping them out after their cup of iniquity is full)?
It’s all wild speculation based on disputed evidence, of course. NASA could be right with their pareidolia explanation. Or maybe they even doctored the images themselves to fool people into thinking there was life on Mars. Or maybe NASA is faking the Mars rover photos by taking them in a South American desert rather than on Mars (which would certainly explain all of the Aztec-looking items). There are a lot of possibilities. But it’s definitely interesting food for thought, and could make for a great story in the science fiction/fantasy/horror range of genres.
Something else just popped into my mind on this. Ever seen the depiction Aleister Crowley drew of the demon who visited him at the summonings he did? I think the name of the demon was Lam. I’ve even seen a quote said by the thing that in the future they (demons) will be called by another name.
Looks very familiar.
Yes and yes.
Crowley’s drawing of that demon does indeed look a lot like a ‘grey’ alien. He summoned it in 1918 with the express purpose of opening a portal for such entities, with rituals involving sex and psychoactive drugs – which fits perfectly with everything that’s been discussed here.
Not coincidentally, the Trudeau regime in Canada is now floating the idea of the government dealing drugs directly to addicts, in “safe” doses – for their protection, of course.
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/trudeaus-addictions-minister-wants-to-give-addicts-a-safe-supply-of-drugs-to-combat-overdoses/?utm_source=top_news&utm_campaign=usa