Some people want the major parties’ presidential candidates to debate aliens now.
It’s par for the course here on Planet Clown.
The next president of the United States should be asked if he will release UFO-related documents, the New Paradigm Institute says.
A once-taboo subject that essentially forced whistleblowers like Bob Lazar into exile is the topic of a social media campaign applying heat to debate moderators to question each 2024 candidate about his willingness to declassify the files.
“The next president of the United States will make critical decisions about UAP disclosure and government transparency,” New Paradigm Institute Chief Counsel Daniel Sheehan said in a June 12 statement.
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Rep. Tim Burchett, R-Tenn., told Fox News Digital in a previous interview that documents relating to UFOs, or UAPs (unidentified anomalous phenomena), are “so compartmentalized that we’ll never get to the bottom of it.”
It will take a “commander-in-chief who says enough is enough,” to declassify everything.
That’s why the New Paradigm Institute, an organization dedicated to securing the public release of UFO-related files, started a social media campaign to convince the next presidential debate moderators to include a question about UFOs.
“Candidates for president should be asked whether they will commit to UAP disclosure and government transparency,” said Sheehan, adding the June 27 debate would be the “perfect forum” for the public to learn the candidates’ stances.
The UFO topic has been an ongoing subject of interest in Congress, as a bipartisan effort has been pushing for government agencies to release files.
Former New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie was asked about UFOs during last April’s presidential primary debate, which he scoffed at and mocked.
“I get the UFO questions? C’mon, man!” Christie said during the debate before joking with the moderator.
You won’t often hear me say this, but Christie is right.
If you’ve been reading this site for a while, you know me; I’m as big into high strangeness as anybody. And as a kid i used to be fascinated by the UFO (as it was then called before they changed it to UAP) phenomenon. Maybe you can tell because I wrote two sci fi book series about aliens.
But that was back in the 90s before all the mistakes of the three preceding decades came home to roost. Now, in Current Year +X, we have Venezuelan gangs taking over New York state, drug zombies shambling around Philadelphia, and homeless camps overrunning the West Coast.
All of which are adjeacent to all the, you know, theft and murder.
Yet some supposed adults want debate moderators to ask presidential candidates questions about aliens?
Here’s a serious question: What’s the point?
After wracking my brain to think of practical reasons why anyone would care about Trump’s or Biden’s stance on aliens, the only ones I could come up with are these:
- Folks concerned with national defense want to know the government’s plan for dealing with a hypothetical alien invasion
- Sovereign citizen types who still think the bureaucracy answers to them are asserting the right to see “their” classified documents on the subject
- Boomers raised on shlock TV sci fi want the government to make flying saucer B movies real.
In case you needed help, the right answer is 3.
Because UFOs as a cultural phenomenon are a relic of the Cold War, if you think about it.
If you ask most people who’re convinced aliens are visiting Earth why extraterrestrials are here, you’re bound to get the following answers:
- The aliens are on a Star Trek style exploration mission
- The aliens are keeping Earth under quarantine until we grow out of our violent tribalistic ways
- The aliens are here to extract some resource Earth has that they need
- The aliens have been here for a long time (possibly the beginning) and are secretly directing society from the shadows
What do all of those possibilities have in common? You can find hack sci fi shows with plots based on all of the above.
Let’s take a step back from the TV and movie tropes to get a broader perspective on the alien issue. First, we don’t even know if these things are space aliens. The extraterrestrial theory is just one of many explanations that have been proposed—also mostly by TV-addicted Boomers.
For every claim someone can make asserting the UAPs are controlled by space aliens, you can make an at least equally valid argument that these are cyrptoterrestrials, extradimensional beings, time travelers, or demons.
But supposing for the sake of argument that we’re seeing UFOs piloted by extraterrestrials. Having politicians address the national security concerns associated with such a phenomenon is a nonstarter. The government can’t even stop an ongoing invasion of illegal aliens from the third world on our southern border. Does anyone really think the malicious incompetents in charge could even present a speed bump to invading aliens from another world with even Kardashev type 1 tech?
And if you haven’t figured it out by now, the same ruling class corruption and stupidity that makes them useless against a spacefaring culture with its act together also makes the “muh goberment of the people!” case for disclosure ridiculous. It’s not gonna happen unless the powers that be want it to.
Which has other implications that some have noted, but I digress …
The same hamfisted tyranny we live under makes pretty much all the Campbellian SF-ish points above moot. The ruling Death Cult is doing its best to start World War III. That means you can forget any kind of effective interstellar diplomacy. Menawhile, they’ve fostered social conditions so degraded that men in dresses can murder normal people in broad daylight, and even the Conservative press’ main concern is using the killer’s preferred pronouns. So no chance of lifting any quarantine while the Cult’s in power.
Resource extraction runs into the same hard wall as the invasion scenario (if only). If space aliens are here to mine some cosmically rare commodity, the window-licking sociopaths in the halls of power have no chance of stopping it, let alone negotiating a deal for a cut of the action.
And all of the above assumes a kind of solipsistic anthropomorphism that proiects human logic and motives onto supposed space aliens. In all likelihood, we’re incapable of grasping what these things want and why. Imagine trying to explain laying fiber optic cable for high-speed internet to a neolithic hunter-gatherer.
If many accounts are to be believed, the UAP beings’ work here involves menacing ranchers with peeping Tom and poltergeist activity.
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That leaves us with the final option, which is that aliens have been secretly running our civilization and may even have started it.
If that’s the case, the aliens are the government, which would make petitions to address disclosure in a presidential debate asking the aliens to inform on themselves. Which means it’s not your government, and your demands carry zero weight anyway, so the whole exercize is meaningless.
Even if a conjectural alien-run government did decide to release some details about its secret controllers’ activities, their motives for doing so would be self-interested and probably incomprehensible. So any information they divulged would be ipso facto untrustworthy, useless, or both.
This is a rare exception to the rule about the truth mattering. Even if aliens are here, there’s nothing we can do about it, and odds are it’s already having whatever effects on our daily lives it was gonna have. The whole UFO business is just another shell game to distract the plebs while the ruling class—who or whatever they are—keeps stepping on their necks.
Just ignore the shadow puppets on the cave wall and get right with Jesus.
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If the aliens aren’t going to build us new power plants, buy everybody’s student debt, or teach ubran weirdos that the Death Cult is less coherent than the Catholic Church, then I don’t care about them, either.
Bingo. How is that unreasonable?
The aliens always conveniently want you to stop quarreling and do what your superiors tell you in order to form a One World Government. Funny how that works.
It’s time to face facts that all space alien speculation was cope from irreligious locker occupants from the early 20th century to explain why they were actually smarter than normal functional human beings. Once you realize that truth it becomes very difficult to avoid seeing it all over those stories, even to this day. It’s as subtle as jackhammer thumping on your surround sound.
I have noticed the heyday of the space alien as explanation is long over, though. Common people and even nerds are far more willing to accept far more traditional supernatural explanations (even if the creatures are modern and lame) over grey retards wasting fuel traveling to this planet to just watch while elitists carry on pizza parties. That era is finished.
To paraphrase Nick from MDE, why do these alien craft they’re blowing the whistle on now still look like hubcabs from 1950s B movies?
Jacques Vallee wrote about this extensively, most notably in “Messengers of Deception.”
Other common themes were “you didn’t build that” (i.e. any supposed human achievement was actually done by aliens) and that angels, gods, etc. are actually aliens.
Vallee never really came to a conclusion about who the deceivers were (though in my book it’s probably demons, and if not them then the fair folk). However, he was convinced that the supposedly “accidental” sightings were in fact carefully staged towards an end, and that end was a manipulation of the social attitudes first of contactees and then later of society at large. Most of Vallee’s predicted consequences of sustained contact have come to pass and the major one that didn’t (that the public would reject science due to science not treating this sort of topic seriously) largely missed because science itself got taken up in the same fervor as society at large.
If you read what aliens say in contactee reports in the 60’s and then read documents from the WEF, it’s hard to think that they weren’t both given the same script.
“The aliens always conveniently want you to stop quarreling and do what your superiors tell you in order to form a One World Government. Funny how that works.”
The very idea of a ‘One World Government’ is based on some pretty ridiculous assumptions.
Aside from the fact that the supposed ‘experts’ functioning within these organizations are treated as morally incorruptible beings, it always assumes that a more centralized government is better, despite the fact that all such governments tend to be consumed by a bureaucratic hydra that will be more concerned with perpetuating itself rather than actually serving the very people it was created for.
People weren’t born into this world to serve the state. If you’re gonna define a person’s value by their loyalty to the state, you’ll end up treating them as foot soldiers who’s very existence is defined by perpetuating a certain revolutionary cause, rather than actual human beings. It’s not surprising people like this are quite willing to have entire communities/cultures/civilizations obliterated if it means furthering the ‘revolution’.
But maybe that’s just part of the plan: treat science as Scripture, ‘experts’ as Priests, and have everything deemed unimportant sacrificed at the altar of ‘progress’, et violà! ‘One World Government’ achieved.
“But maybe that’s just part of the plan: treat science as Scripture, ‘experts’ as Priests, and have everything deemed unimportant sacrificed at the altar of ‘progress’, et violà! ‘One World Government’ achieved.”
When the WHO recommends shutting down institutions for the sniffles, and some poor school administrator in Kansas actually does it, that’s one world government. In order to finish the remodel of our house, we had to put in the amount of insulation suggested by an international committee, encoded locally. What we thought we might need was irrelevant. That’s OWG already in existence.
The people who are fretting about the supposed impeding doom of OWG have failed to notice how the world currently works. People want it to be some sort of muh ha ha tyrant (or small group of them). What actually exists tyranny by international committee, filled with good ideas, enforced voluntarily by local peons.
The real reason why it’s used (assuming it isn’t sinister) is simple; it is easier for a writer to write about each civilisation as having one government each rather than many. The more reasonable variant I’ve seen (in a recent web fiction story, actually) involved humanity using the UN as a go-between used to interface with the species of the galaxy, while regular national governments continued to exist as normal on the day-to-day (even conducting their own independent diplomacy with alien nations once relations had normalised).
Speaking of the topic of centralisation, I notice that there’s an inevitable tendency among some sorts to think that a highly-centralised government is better than a decentralised one, because a centralised government is better at collecting taxes and raising enormous armies with which to conquer its neighbours. At the very least, it’s commonly cited as inevitable, on the assumption that more centralised states will always defeat their less centralised neighbours if said neighbours don’t do the same in turn. Many people even use this as an explanation for why Europe was able to conquer so much of the world. Of course, this fails to address the fact that the Holy Roman Empire lasted a thousand years and kept its unique constituent cultures alive and vibrant, while the French Republican governments collapse every couple of decades and made a concerted and largely successful effort to erase all regional and local identities (Breton kids could be publicly beaten and mocked by their teachers for speaking such a backwards and barbaric tongue as Breton, for instance).
“Speaking of the topic of centralisation, I notice that there’s an inevitable tendency among some sorts to think that a highly-centralised government is better than a decentralised one, because a centralised government is better at collecting taxes and raising enormous armies with which to conquer its neighbours.”
Which is strange, because the phenomenon of million-man armies is something that only emerged out of the Industrial Revolution. As far as I know, armies above 100k men didn’t really exist in Europe up until the Napoleonic Era. Such a mentality only makes sense if you’re aiming for an Imperialistic government that’s primarily concerned with expansion and domination, which is something that can only be accomplished by a more centralized state.
“At the very least, it’s commonly cited as inevitable, on the assumption that more centralised states will always defeat their less centralised neighbours if said neighbours don’t do the same in turn. Many people even use this as an explanation for why Europe was able to conquer so much of the world.”
Which is weird, because European empires (especially in Africa and Asia) often simply maintained the decentralized structure of local rulers, merely binding them to a treaty which often involved trade rights and military protection. They didn’t completely obliterate the existing local governments and replace them with their own institutions, they merely subordinated them to their own, meaning that actual administration remained fairly decentralized. Countries such as Russia take a similar approach when it comes to their ethnic minorities (such as the Chechens and Tartars).
“Of course, this fails to address the fact that the Holy Roman Empire lasted a thousand years and kept its unique constituent cultures alive and vibrant, while the French Republican governments collapse every couple of decades and made a concerted and largely successful effort to erase all regional and local identities (Breton kids could be publicly beaten and mocked by their teachers for speaking such a backwards and barbaric tongue as Breton, for instance).”
A government aiming for complete centralized control can only do its job properly if it doesn’t have to deal with dozens of local and regional identities. Conflict between them and the national government is virtually inevitable. In fact, this applies to virtually every single other social group (political, religious, you name it).
Let’s just say that their means of accomplishing centralized state control are a little more… extreme, nowadays…
“The government can’t even stop an ongoing invasion of illegal aliens from the third world on our southern border.”
They can. They just don’t want to.
As regards government UFO disclosure, it’s important to note that the way it’s currently being carried out is not transparent or truthful. Many of the photos and videos that the government has presented to the public in recent years as part of disclosure are actually of ordinary objects like balloons. One triangular “UFO/UAP” shown to the public by government officials was actually a Batman balloon, of all things. This is not uniformly the case (some of them are advanced top-secret drones, for instances), but it seems odd that government and military officials would present balloon footage to the public as part of a supposed disclosure campaign. It could be an honest mistake, but it could also be deliberate deception.
I’d recommend this video from Steve Mera (one of the best current UFO researchers), in which he explains this in detail, with evidence.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nnla9kmVQRg
A video I’d recommend even more highly is “Aliens and Demons: Evidence of an Unseen Realm” from the late, great Bible scholar Dr. Michael S. Heiser. It’s one of the best videos on the subject that I’ve ever seen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThmF7OErkxY
My own conclusions, based on my research thus far, line up very closely with Dr. Heiser’s.
And as Rudolf Harrier has also pointed out, Jacques Vallée has written some excellent books on the UFO phenomenon. His “Passport to Magonia” is a good starting point, which his later works build upon.
“Boomers raised on shlock TV sci fi want the government to make flying saucer B movies real.
In case you needed help, the right answer is 3.
Because UFOs as a cultural phenomenon are a relic of the Cold War, if you think about it.”
Yep. Our culture/society/government is dominated by Boomer culture. From my best guess it will continue on until the Boomers begin to die enough not have critical social mass.
Gen X: Are you worried about your now adult kid’s ability to get a good job and buy a house? Nope, we’re talking about aliens.
Gen Y: Are you worried about your kid’s education, drug addiction, and maybe your own ability to buy a house? Sorry, we’ll be shutting down society for 2 years while we relive the excitement of the polio vaccine.
Millennials: Are you saddled with student loan debt and wondering if you can ever start a family? Competing with future Americans for jobs? Sorry, only slackers don’t pay back what they owe.
Gen Z: Have you experienced the wonders of diversity in school? Have your elders interrupted your education and took away 2 years of your life for the sniffles? Maybe even forced a dubious “vaccine” on you by well meaning adults? Sorry, we have all the time in the world to be online and we want to talk aliens.